. – do more mountain biking and less skiing – it’s free, more fun, and better exercise. I achieved a $250k stash this year, but I know even at a 79% savings rate I won’t double it in two years. But you’re right that even a few percent growth starts to get pretty exciting, especially as the ‘Stash surpasses one and then two years of gross salary. On the bright side, even with my killer commute my expenses are only about $20k. But I enjoyed the job at the time, so I definitely didn’t suffer for it. Man this is just depressing for me. Think of Optimal Finance Daily as an audioblog or blogcast. Amazon Global Store. And it helped of course that we only had to pay taxes as the cruise fare was gifted to us. But I admit I am Mr. Money Mustache and can get a little extreme at times :-). © Mr. Money Mustache. I don’t work. I don’t think Mr. MM was overpaid for the engineering work he did (although I am concerned that his wife was underpaid). I won’t deny that – we had it easy, which is why we retired in our early thirties. I’ve been considering setting up a company which would buy the truck. So glad I ran into your website. Note to other newbies – “the white box just before the comments begin” doesn’t mean THIS comment box (the one I’m writing in now), it means the list of comments from readers starting just after each blog entry finishes. September 15, 2011, 12:07 pm. Haha.. very nice follow-up punch, Gerard! Nice write up. Sorry I bit on that one. It’s great reading this and remembering how I could have retired even earlier. I think she needs her own name, or better, yet they need to go by a hyphenated or hybrid name together and give their child that name. MORE SAVINGS! A decent professional job awaited at graduation, so I upped the ante to include my first used car and a house shared with many roommates (rent: $270/month). September 15, 2011, 11:58 am. I’m going to to on record with another outrageous prediction: One more year from now, the US/Canada/World economic system will still be cranking out wealth, prosperity, and far too much pollution. When can you truly afford a fancy car like a BMW? I paid 48,000 in income + SSI/medicare + other taxes (phone, electric, natural gas, property, school, etc). I like your question, since I too have lived in Boulder and live just 10 miles away right now. This person called her and begged her to come back – for a salary that was even higher than my peak earnings at my job. Two job switches (so 3 jobs in total). Thanks for the quick reply. poorplayer Here’s my story, so you can see how it’s done. So far, so good. The most useful comments are those written with the goal of learning from or helping out other readers – after reading the whole article and all the earlier comments. So yes, I am not well off with money and it stresses me out. I am no pro at this and just trying to understand the numbers better BC I AM TIRED OF WORKING 8/5… maybe there is blog I have missed, Mr. Money Mustache Not possible. Wow, it’s amazing how far you can go with a bit of discipline and no debt to start! Thought I’d happily pay twice the valuation given their growth potential. Other people will scoff at the high salaries involved, compared to the US median level. (Brrr.) An attempt at humour that further emphasizes the oppression of women to assume that she did not freely and proudly choose to be known as the wife to her husband. Year 4: At this point, my future wife finally graduated from her longer and more meandering education up in Canada and decided to join me in Boulder. But it’s all about not getting stupid when you can’t yet afford it. For example, when you’re making $30,000/year, you can’t be out buying $7 martinis on the weekends and financing a $20,000 new car. It took most of the first year to pay off that loan. Author Topic: The Toyota sienna story (Read 1936 times) intellectsucks. You know, “I can’t do it and I’m smart so if you’re able to do it then you must be either kidding yourself or cooking some books”. Photo credit goes to friend Intiaz Rahim who whipped up a very fine series of pics during a visit in 2010. But after reading this article twice, I can tell you it is still depressing for me, and I earn low six figures. I was wondering what you would suggest me to do to retire in the next 10 years or sooner. This year, I foolishly took a $10,000 step backwards by buying a brand-new motorcycle with some of my easy-earned cash. We went on a big fancy Caribbean cruise last year, and while I enjoyed the boat and the food, it was a grotesque consumer experience we have no desire to repeat. A isn’t gonna happen because schools are awesome here, but b) might given time (we are in early 30’s) if economy doesn’t totally collapse soon. He and his wife graduated from college and were making a decent amount of money. Go ahead and click on any titles that intrigue you, and I hope to see you around here more often. So, enough of this silliness. The rent averaged about $350 per month, plus some negligible share of utilities. Out of that surprise and frustration, Mr. Money Mustache was born in 2011. And finally, if you marry an ambitious lady as I did, you can add almost 100% of her salary to your mutual annual savings too! That thing is costing you $8600 per year, which is more than my family spends on cars in a decade! So you can borrow to buy the BMW today, and pay for it forever. I hope that doesn’t happen too often. That’s what I’m planning to use moving forward (after maxing out my Roth) – Patrick Kelly has a really good, really short book called Tax-Free Retirement on how it works. The funny part is, if you follow the ways of the Money Mustache, you’ll hit these levels sooner than you think. I hurt people to get it. When I say “save”, I’m counting all forms of increasing your wealth. The first thing I’d do on the money side is eliminate the insanely expensive car from your life. August 7, 2012, 6:05 am, Congratulations MiniMMM! So the 800K includes the 401K balance. I stole it like everybody else does. Financial Samurai Only have 45k invested so it will be a while before I can retire early…. Mixed in with those later years, but left out for clarity, was this house-building business of mine. I heard that b/c the income is very erratic and not steady, it’s best to only start with the job when you don’t need the income. July 5, 2014, 9:17 pm. She did not switch jobs. Go Mrs Mustache and hold onto ur monicker!!!! (or is that now MediumMM?) From Wikipedia. Women can have it any way they want it! Year 4 Stash: 170K Home Equity, 550K Taxable Investing, 55K Retirement. These three things certainly sound like they’ll provide a feeling of happiness longer than buying a new pair of shoes. Then I need to search for the navigation so I can read this methodically … since I am late to the party of finding your site. I bought a house there and could be in downtown Boulder by BIKE in less than 30 minutes, year-round. Which then logically means, I can only count on income generated from non-retirement savings to cover living expenses. I too, have found an interest in carpentry. If the US or Canadian governments default then I’d imagine all of us would have big problems. Sometimes for longer trips I rent out our primary house, which earns more money than we can even spend on a trip! So in other words, we’re already on the right track – awesome! I’m still not convinced.. and George Choy So I will be more careful to include reference links and repeat key points more often. I will be starting work again with a very high salary, so I am using your principles to practice frugality before working again so I won’t blow through all the money once I have it. New website design coming sometime early this year (2014)! © Mr. Money Mustache. Then Canada dropped its tax rates quite a bit so they were nearly equal. Es handelt sich um eine offensichtliche Tatsache, dass fast alle Kunden mit Mr money mustache com überaus glücklich sind. I worked rehabbing a house with a man that would make MMM’s life look flamboyant in my late 20’s. Why bother searching for the best blogs about personal finance when it can be found and read for you? I define us as Retired, because that is a novel word to throw around for those under 50 that sounds much more interesting than “Financially Independent”. Here in Colorado we still enjoy breathtakingly low costs – low property taxes and insurance, low state income taxes and sales taxes. If you want a house/unit in a better area you can expect to pay around $500-900k for it (plus taxes). Thanks for chiming in Lee, but I actually get quite a few meaningless troll comments these days. Yes, and I would add regarding the “two teachers making $60k each per year” part, that my hubby and I are both teachers–he’s been in the field full-time for about 15 years and makes $54,000, I make less than that. At least that’s what I gather from your notes. Thanks! Still building my Stash too of course. I am jealous of you being a stylish English famous blogger named the Monevator, so I guess we are equal :-). randomMMMwannabe I am horribly single however, so unless I gets me a rich sugar daddy, this plan might not work so well…. Assuming this was the case, did your withdrawal rate change during this period? Monevator So, if you have a $600k house right now, but plan to later live in a $300k place, you can mentally add $300k to your ‘stash. But I don’t want to do sales or customer service again. It appears you just saved like a Mustachian for Year 3, and then combined them for Year 4. This allows me to stay in a low tax bracket which gives me all sorts of benefits when it comes to income deductions and HST recapture. Die Redaktion hat im ausführlichen Mr money mustache com Test uns jene genialsten Produkte verglichen und die nötigen Eigenschaften recherchiert. I’ve already forwarded it on to multiple people who have recently graduated university! For example, some of my classmates in engineering had higher levels of cash dole from their parents, yet graduated with significant debt.. because they felt that they could afford cars and restaurant meals during university, while I knew I could not yet afford those things (since I graduated with zero net worth, it looks like I spent exactly the maximum amount I could afford but no more!). WOW! Aside from the pre-tax $27K accumulated in your 401Ks, where did the other $60K in post-tax savings come from? But all I want, is what you have. New Canadian reader who was going back to complete blogroll each time to find next post. MMM – I’m amused that you went on a cruise. Mark Phillips Domestic Outsourcing: Practical or Wussypants? Vivendi Modus August 23, 2014, 7:51 am. Is my early-retirement-target-number supposed to omit my home equity? Matching depends on if the company has met its sales growth goal for the year. Anything you do will put you in a better position than you are today. Right now I’m saving about half of my income, but a lot of that goes into retirement accounts I won’t be able to access for a long time. I just checked out your blog – It sounds like you will have a very cushy retirement in exchange for those few years you worked longer than me. We are already doing all of those things. I’ve read everything on your blog and look forward to more. It seems that you could have stopped working a year or two earlier, given your expenses. Other years, I may accidentally earn hundreds of thousands of additional dollars by starting another company. And I’m too smart. (I hate long commutes, but it was forced upon me by the nature of my job when I got hired.) Plus, we have a surplus now, so we probably didn’t need to save that much. If I throw all available funds at it, it will pay off in 6 years. I like that you moved to a 4-day work week at 20% pay cut. All Rights Reserved |. -Food: Now with food, I rarely spend money on food, so I’ll leave it blank. Mr. Money Mustache He was working at a very, very popular restaurant - the place du jour. I’m just starting to read it and appreciate all the information! I’m surprised there would be $90K in take-home pay from those gross salaries. He originally grew up in Canada and moved to the US sometime after university. Wife but no kids so my savings were a bit more than the MMM’s. Student Loans: Zero – due to low spending, about $10k of help from parents and scholarships, and good high school and summer jobs. My last name is my maiden name and husband has his last name. Wow! I am a Canadian university student who will be graduating debt free in December this year. I’ve been reading your blog since you started, and have really enjoyed it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States. Your blog states a lot of the same information but in an easier to digest way! I’m 37, average salary, and I have enough passive income from rental properties to cover my expenses and then some. The Mr. Money Mustache app provides the best MMM experience for mobile users. Chris Getting back to the point – Mrs. M. and I earned completely average software engineering salaries throughout our careers (and salaries for those jobs are even higher now). I’m no exception. It seemed kind of daunting that you were already retired at 30 (by my calculations I might be able to do so by 40) but the progress makes it seem much more feasible now. If you have a shortage, you can always spend less for a while. “For the middle-class 1-2 kid family who wants to keep the best parts of the full rich-world lifestyle (as I do), I am trying to make a case for living off of about 40-50k and saving the rest.”. – add still more tax-free income since you might get some EMPLOYER MATCHING Just wanted to say how inspiring this was and its good to see kindred spirits. Mr. Money Mustache teaches that to find lasting happiness, one should invest more in health, relationships, and embracing hardship. For example, in Engineering, advanced degrees do not make much difference in income – much more important is which company/field you work for, and how hard and effectively you work. We have health insurance (and Health! Contrast that to a client I just met who is making $400k and “has nothing to show for it”. I will have to look this up. With you having more kids than I can count on one hand, and still working towards this goal, I’m inspired all the greater. Thanks for divulging your financial journey. Admittedly, I could save a tremendous amount of change if I was able to live alone in a studio apartment or by renting a room in a house again. The steps you teach us here are right for me??? :D. Btw MMM, i just tipped u using TipTheWeb.Org. This is the only form of good debt there is. So to add one thing to MMM’s excellent blog which might not have been covered; look at your biggest expenses and see if you can somehow work out an angle to reduce them without chopping into too much of personal enjoyment, junk science I still like to do things myself and I live in a $50k paid-for house. September 17, 2011, 2:58 pm, Consider yourself lucky. That’s not retirement!”. I’d like to move forward and we have been working to increase our income with not much avail… So are these articles irrelevant to me until we can earn more? Your main question seems to be on how to get a nice stable cashflow on a large chunk of savings. Mr. Money Mustache That I would rather give money away completely, than spend it to hire a bunch of guys with noisy gas mowers and leaf blowers to cut my lawn for me every week so I could sit inside and watch them? Then the US dropped its taxes a bunch too. I’ll read the linked piece and think about it more. Marcia @Frugal Healthy Simple At first you don’t feel like it accumulates very fast, but after a while, if just seems to keep growing… it’s true that MMM made a lot at the time, but like he said, with less income, we would have just worked for 12 years instead of 9. October 17, 2011, 3:59 am. Great post, I’m jealous of your salary, your gains, and your ‘tach. Would really appreciate input from MMM and other users here! Just for the amusement of your fellow readers :-). September 15, 2011, 3:30 pm. Some people will say, “But Wait! Because in Ontario, all dividends from Canadian Corporation give a credit of roughly 24% when the first tax bracket is 21%. If I was in a high-skill job, my job might generate other jobs. And even this is a drop in the bucket compared to certain financial jobs in New York City, where the annual BONUS can exceed that amount within the first few years, even while the base salary is higher. It is a breath of fresh air, in a consumerist, smog-filled world. Complaints and insults generally won’t make the cut here, but by all means write them on your own blog! He is now making about 50K, but LOVES his work and works 4 10-hour days. The only options I can see is a) move, b) make a lot more money, c) all of the above. Looking to kick the ass of the remainder and move on with life. We have 2 rentals, one we outgrew and a foreclosure we bought and fixed up. So I am not sure of the exact difference right now. Another front-ranger here (Boulder). September 26, 2013, 12:27 pm. Why did your wife make less than you even with similar education? Increasing income is a nice goal too, but the potential rewards vary vastly depending on a person’s field of work and personal abilities. When my job offered me $40K, I negotiated $44 with MMMs advice. :) My top income was $70K when I quit. Current mix Domestic 23% international 35% bonds 7% rest other. Smurph It is complicated to remember what portion of income was taxable salary, and what was non-taxable gains inside of retirement accounts and such. Smart from the beginning makes a huge difference. With that income and number of kids, and me not working, we have still been able to save and stash. Year 5: We were still hard-working Career Beaks at this point, so we both scored raises. I love it! I find that I spend a good amount of money on skincare/cosmetics, threading, etc. January 12, 2014, 10:45 pm. -tvo. I’m only 22 though and only recently have I begun to understand how a 401k works lol I would love some advice from someone who clearly knows what they’re doing. Thanks Monevator! I’ve always thought myself pretty sensible with money, but now realized I could be more frugal! It’s important, I believe, to remember that 2/3 of the world’s population will never have anywhere near the financial opportunities detailed in this post, and that if we manage to make money through investment, it means that someone somewhere is working for shit wages, barely able to afford a bowl of rice a day. Since no matter how much is stashed away in 401k and Roth, and how much returns are generated there, I can’t use those returns until I hit 65, and I’m only in my early 40s. Check out our Now page to see what we're up to currently. – I may have lower property and state income taxes than you And in your calculations of your living expenses, you have probably already assumed rent is zero dollars per month. Although I COULD live in an RV and subsist primarily on rice and beans, I simply am not willing to take my quest for frugality quite to that extreme at this point in my life. It’s been going decent, enough to break even, but not always. Having been reading the blog for a while now, I know MMM would rather be out biking or laying some fancy tiles, instead of dealing with the hassles of hosting a podcast. They saved 65% of it for seven years, then retired at 30 so they could raise a family. If you’re looking for inspiration and motivation for what to do with your life then it’s well worth taking on board some of his ideas and principles. I also worked like a crazy company slave, enjoying weekends and late evenings in the office. Thanks for sharing your story folks. Also, interest rates are so low, it seems difficult to earn a living off $800,000, even if it was 100% in cash, CDs, or other income yielding assets at 4% for example. The remaining principal will grow at 3% forever, and thus your annual payments will grow each year to keep up with inflation. And even in our own country, in lower-skilled jobs. I’m starting from the very beginning. Mrs. Money Mustache suits me just fine, thanks. I have been living on cash for the past 5 or 6 years and am faced with a need for a “new” car. Brave and MMM meet for the first time! I have around 50k of net worth after 7 years of gainful employment. I guess in this environment, 7% is nice….I need to catch up on your blog, but isn’t a safer rate of return more like 6% if you are withdrawing…anyway, if you have a post with more concrete number examples I think that would be extremely helpful! I use YNAB for our budget and we spend wisely, but we have a great life that is focused on our family and doing fun things with them. Thank you for parading around in your well laundered monetary underwear. Good luck to you on this journey and to us all! Being 23 and sad everyday and not being able to be positive SUCKS! Since then, she has served as the Chancellor of Fun in the MMM organization, which is an informal and haphazard group of entirely volunteer planners who sometimes create interesting events. Do you find that b/c you are retired, you don’t have to save for retirement, therefore it’s easier to live on less? How many times did you switch jobs? Sorry for the confusion – I guess I was assuming that you had read all the earlier articles.. but looking back, I see there are more than 100 now, and it is unlikely that most people will be interested enough to read them all, let alone carefully study each detail. This is all very possible. 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